tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3174163417312140150.post754228220092648227..comments2023-08-29T07:36:40.823-07:00Comments on Programmers Guild: Microsoft propaganda falsely cites H-1b restrictions as basis for their Vancouver, Canada officeMr. Kim Berryhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/10204568488405029732noreply@blogger.comBlogger52125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3174163417312140150.post-724167769493308062007-09-30T15:14:00.000-07:002007-09-30T15:14:00.000-07:00If Indians are so smart, then howcome they dont in...If Indians are so smart, then howcome they dont innovate anything in IT. Howcome, its still a Third World country. The biggest joke is, USA looking for 'highly technical skilled IT manpower' from India, a Third world country which itself is depending on Western countries for technical goods. They boast of 50 million IT people in India. They feel they are smart.But in reality its the opposite. Ofcourse, there maybe few thousands brilliant people in India but it also has 1.1 Billion population. Also India has the worst infrastructure, rampant corruption, pollution, child beggars, very young prostituted girls etc. Ever since 1997 when Indians came in large droves on H1 and L1, the quality of the IT along with wages started to go down drastically. <BR/>According to survey, only far less than 25% of the Indians on H1B visa are really qualified to do the highly skilled technical jobs. No big suprises. These Indians only want quick money in short term and IT industry is the answer. Thats why the immigants from the Third World (in particular, Indians) choose this path and the quality is declining.<BR/><BR/>After all, it is the Western companies who are outsourcing the projects to India. These Indians<BR/>make us believe that if we ban H1B visas, then USA will loose competitive edge because these folks will go back to their country. But the point is, they still work for the Western companies where much of the Software life cycle is done and these Indians involve only in lousy coding and testing part of the software life cycle.<BR/>Also,i can bet you that Indian H1B'S hire only their own kind. And their code smells bad too.<BR/><BR/>Good luck to those employers who hire these Indians because the applications will crash due to these Indians semi-skilled low productivity.<BR/><BR/><BR/><BR/><BR/>95% of the Indian H1B programmers are not involved in any of the complex programming tasks whether it is Compilers, Debbuggers, Assemblers, Open source projects, Frameworks, Automation Tools etc. I bet they are just 'Copy and Paste' coders. This shows they have no passion and they are just in it make quick buck. They have no clue of their projects.<BR/>Afterall, most of the software is invented from the 'basements or garages' of the Western households (eg- Google).<BR/><BR/>As someone pointed out , Indians 'need to code' (just for only money) whereas Western Programmers 'want to code' (both Passion and money). This is why Indian code smells very bad and has to be again re-coded at the later stage by the non-Indian programmers hence defeating the main purpose of the 'cheap hence profitable' IT oursourcing.<BR/><BR/>The Wall Street will repent in the future regarding the pitfalls of the IT industry outsourcing to India.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3174163417312140150.post-31764502495128779132007-09-26T18:55:00.000-07:002007-09-26T18:55:00.000-07:00This site is supported by a bunch of lazy people...This site is supported by a bunch of lazy people who are supposedly programmers who do not want to work hard. Heard of UAW , they should name this UPW, the main difference is they don't have restrooms in a website. They do not realize that they have lost the fight already; if these people retrain themselves and learn to compete they would be much better off.<BR/>I agree, H1-B is immoral, it hinders free market economy and is reminiscent of plantation labor.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3174163417312140150.post-48649725581196948052007-09-26T13:26:00.000-07:002007-09-26T13:26:00.000-07:00Hey former union member-turned programmer, how lon...Hey former union member-turned programmer, how long do you think it will be before you're replaced by an H-1B or you job is offshored? Get a little more programming experience on your resume and you'll find out your true worth pretty quickly.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3174163417312140150.post-76287297779527978222007-09-25T21:12:00.000-07:002007-09-25T21:12:00.000-07:00This site is disgusting. It's stinks of entitleme...This site is disgusting. It's stinks of entitlement and a drive toward unionization. As a former union worker and now programmer, I see this kind of activism and creeping collectivism as a dark cloud looming over the industry - a bunch of parasites ready to pounce at every opportunity and drive us all into the ground so they can consume just a little more of others' productivity. I'll switch professions again before ever letting a union or anything like it get near me again. <BR/><BR/>The only people who complain about what others are getting in a free market are those who know they can't cut it and can't compete. <BR/><BR/>You're right about one thing, though, H-1B visas are immoral. Nobody should have to get permission to hire anyone they want to, or to work for whomever they want to, so long as they mutually agree on terms. Hurrah for those companies that have successfully used loopholes in these insane laws to be able to hire who they want to hire.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3174163417312140150.post-17260705021120667722007-09-18T15:34:00.000-07:002007-09-18T15:34:00.000-07:00http://www.businessweek.com/bwdaily/dnflash/conten...http://www.businessweek.com/bwdaily/dnflash/content/sep2007/db20070917_552357.htm?chan=top+news_top+news+index_businessweek+exclusives<BR/> <BR/><BR/>Skilled Immigrants' March on Washington<BR/><BR/>While immigrant advocates want more green cards, tech companies also seek more work visas. As workers hit the streets, the debate is just beginningBlogspotDudehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16812740483503740304noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3174163417312140150.post-8280947973835624532007-09-18T15:33:00.000-07:002007-09-18T15:33:00.000-07:00http://www.businessweek.com/bwdaily/dnflash/conten...http://www.businessweek.com/bwdaily/dnflash/content/may2007/db20070523_485361.htm <BR/><BR/>Immigration Fight: Tech vs. Tech<BR/>BusinessWeek reveals the top 200 users of H-1B visas and how the likes of Microsoft and Oracle compete with outsourcers for themBlogspotDudehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16812740483503740304noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3174163417312140150.post-45890974086612606632007-09-18T15:32:00.000-07:002007-09-18T15:32:00.000-07:00http://www.businessweek.com/table/0518_h1btable.ht...http://www.businessweek.com/table/0518_h1btable.htm <BR/><BR/>top 200 H-1B Visa companies are:<BR/><BR/><BR/>Rank Employer H1-B Visa Count <BR/>1 INFOSYS TECHNOLOGIES 4,908 <BR/>2 WIPRO 4,002 <BR/>3 MICROSOFT 3,117 <BR/>4 TATA CONSULTANCY SERVICES 3,046 <BR/>5 SATYAM COMPUTER SERVICES 2,880 <BR/>6 COGNIZANT TECH SOLUTIONS U.S. 2,226 <BR/>7 PATNI COMPUTER SYSTEMS 1,391 <BR/>8 IBM 1,130 <BR/>9 ORACLE 1,022 <BR/>10 LARSEN & TOUBRO INFOTECH 947 <BR/>11 HCL AMERICA 910 <BR/>12 DELOITTE & TOUCHE 890 <BR/>13 CISCO SYSTEMS 828 <BR/>14 INTEL 828 <BR/>15 I-FLEX SOLUTIONS 817 <BR/>16 ERNST & YOUNG 774 <BR/>17 TECH MAHINDRA AMERICAS 770 <BR/>18 MOTOROLA 760 <BR/>19 MPHASIS 751 <BR/>20 DELOITTE CONSULTING 665 <BR/>21 LANCESOFT 645 <BR/>22 NEW YORK CITY PUBLIC SCHOOLS 642 <BR/>23 ACCENTURE 637 <BR/>24 JPMORGAN CHASE 632 <BR/>25 POLARIS SOFTWARE LAB INDIA 611 <BR/>26 COVANSYS 611 <BR/>27 PRICEWATERHOUSECOOPERS 591 <BR/>28 QUALCOMM 533 <BR/>29 GOLDMAN SACHS 529 <BR/>30 KPMG 476 <BR/>31 MARLABS 475 <BR/>32 UNIVERSITY OF MICHIGAN 437 <BR/>33 UNIV. OF ILLINOIS AT CHICAGO 434 <BR/>34 UNIVERSITY OF PENNSYLVANIA 432 <BR/>35 THE JOHNS HOPKINS UNIVERSITY 432 <BR/>36 SYNTEL CONSULTING 416 <BR/>37 CITIGROUP GLOBAL MARKETS 413 <BR/>38 BEARINGPOINT 413 <BR/>39 UNIVERSITY OF MARYLAND 404 <BR/>40 KEANE 386 <BR/>41 HTC GLOBAL SERVICES 382 <BR/>42 IGATE MASTECH 378 <BR/>43 HEXAWARE TECHNOLOGIES 362 <BR/>44 CAPITAL ONE SERVICES 362 <BR/>45 COLUMBIA UNIVERSITY 355 <BR/>46 LEHMAN BROTHERS 352 <BR/>47 YAHOO! 347 <BR/>48 U.S. TECHNOLOGY RESOURCES 339 <BR/>49 INTELLIGROUP 336 <BR/>50 HEWLETT-PACKARD 333 <BR/>51 RAPIDIGM 330 <BR/>52 MERRILL LYNCH 329 <BR/>53 GOOGLE 328 <BR/>54 CITIBANK 322 <BR/>55 DIS NATIONAL INSTS OF HEALTH DHHS 322 <BR/>56 YALE UNIVERSITY 316 <BR/>57 NOKIA 314 <BR/>58 TEXAS INSTRUMENTS 313 <BR/>59 CAPGEMINI 309 <BR/>60 HARVARD UNIVERSITY 308 <BR/>61 EMC 305 <BR/>62 SUN MICROSYSTEMS 303 <BR/>63 RITE AID 301 <BR/>64 BLOOMBERG 298 <BR/>65 GENERAL ELECTRIC 292 <BR/>66 AMGEN 289 <BR/>67 McKINSEY U.S. 286 <BR/>68 MORGAN STANLEY 285 <BR/>69 STANFORD UNIVERSITY 279 <BR/>70 WASHINGTON UNIV. IN ST. LOUIS 278 <BR/>71 VERIZON DATA SERVICES 276 <BR/>72 NYC-HHC HARLEM HOSPITAL CENTER 276 <BR/>73 UNIVERSITY OF PITTSBURGH 275 <BR/>74 INDIANA UNIVERSITY 273 <BR/>75 OHIO STATE 271 <BR/>76 EVEREST CONSULTING GROUP 269 <BR/>77 UNIV. OF MINNESOTA 269 <BR/>78 AMTEX SYSTEMS 268 <BR/>79 UNIV. OF WISCONSIN AT MADISON 268 <BR/>80 SUNY-STONY BROOK 262 <BR/>81 AMAZON GLOBAL RESOURCES 262 <BR/>82 CLEVELAND CLINIC FOUNDATION 256 <BR/>83 DALLAS INDEPENDENT SCHOOL DISTRICT 255 <BR/>84 UNIV. OF CALIF. AT DAVIS 254 <BR/>85 NORTHWESTERN 251 <BR/>86 SYNTEL 250 <BR/>87 UNIV. OF MISSOURI AT COLUMBIA 247 <BR/>88 GLOBALCYNEX 247 <BR/>89 KANBAY 246 <BR/>90 AMERICAN SOLUTIONS 242 <BR/>91 UNIV. OF FLORIDA INTL. CENTER 240 <BR/>92 UCLA 239 <BR/>93 DUKE UNIV. MEDICAL CENTER 238 <BR/>94 MOUNT SINAI MEDICAL CENTER 236 <BR/>95 BANK OF AMERICA 236 <BR/>96 SOFTWARE RESEARCH GROUP 234 <BR/>97 BAYLOR COLLEGE OF MEDICINE 234 <BR/>98 MASSACHUSETTS GENERAL HOSPITAL 232 <BR/>99 CIBER 232 <BR/>100 VERINON TECHNOLOGY SOLUTIONS 230 <BR/> Rank Employer H-1B Visas <BR/>101 EVEREST BUSINESS SOLUTIONS 226 <BR/>102 VOLT TECHNICAL RESOURCES 224 <BR/>103 OKLAHOMA STATE UNIVERSITY 223 <BR/>104 COMPUNNEL SOFTWARE GROUP 222 <BR/>105 U.S. TECH SOLUTIONS 221 <BR/>106 SYMANTEC 220 <BR/>107 JSMN INTERNATIONAL 218 <BR/>108 UBS 216 <BR/>109 CVS PHARMACY 213 <BR/>110 THE PENNSYLVANIA STATE UNIVERSITY 213 <BR/>111 UNIVERSITY OF WASHINGTON 213 <BR/>112 NORTEL NETWORKS 212 <BR/>113 UNIV. OF CALIF. AT SAN FRANCISCO 211 <BR/>114 UNIVERSITY OF MASS. MEDICAL SCHOOL 210 <BR/>115 SPRINT/UNITED MANAGEMENT 209 <BR/>116 HOUSTON INDEPENDENT SCHOOL DISTRICT 209 <BR/>117 PURDUE 208 <BR/>118 GLOBAL CONSULTANTS 207 <BR/>119 EMORY UNIVERSITY 207 <BR/>120 UT HEALTH SCIENCE CENTER 207 <BR/>121 UNIV. OF COLORADO 207 <BR/>122 VANDERBILT UNIVERSITY 205 <BR/>123 OBJECTWIN TECHNOLOGY 205 <BR/>124 DIASPARK 204 <BR/>125 HSBC BANK USA 203 <BR/>126 EBUSINESS APPLICATION SOLUTIONS 203 <BR/>127 BROADCOM 203 <BR/>128 PRINCE GEORGES COUNTY (MD.) PUBLIC SCHS 203 <BR/>129 MICRON TECHNOLOGY 202 <BR/>130 COUNTRYWIDE HOME LOANS 198 <BR/>131 TEXAS A&M 198 <BR/>132 APPLIED MATERIALS 195 <BR/>133 SCHLUMBERGER TECHNOLOGY 194 <BR/>134 UNIVERSITY OF IOWA 194 <BR/>135 IBM GLOBAL SVCS. INDIA 194 <BR/>136 DELOITTE TAX 194 <BR/>137 CUMMINS 193 <BR/>138 ITECH U.S. 191 <BR/>139 COMPUWARE 189 <BR/>140 INTL. STUDENTS AND SCHOLARS OFFICE 186 <BR/>141 UNIV. OF CALIF. AT SAN DIEGO 185 <BR/>142 WALGREEN'S 184 <BR/>143 HOWARD HUGHES MEDICAL INSTITUTE 184 <BR/>144 USC 183 <BR/>145 VISION SYSTEMS GROUP 182 <BR/>146 T MOBILE USA 180 <BR/>147 MULTIVISION 178 <BR/>148 ELECTRONIC DATA SYSTEMS 177 <BR/>149 MASSACHUSETTS INSTITUTE OF TECHNOLOGY 175 <BR/>150 CALIFORNIA INSTITUTE OF TECHNOLOGY 174 <BR/>151 CASE WESTERN RESERVE UNIV. 173 <BR/>152 UNC AT CHAPEL HILL 173 <BR/>153 UNIV. OF ALABAMA AT BIRMINGHAM 172 <BR/>154 DEUTSCHE BANK 170 <BR/>155 CATERPILLAR 170 <BR/>156 HALLMARK GLOBAL TECHNOLOGIES 169 <BR/>157 CYBERTHINK 169 <BR/>158 CORPORATE COMPUTER SERVICES 167 <BR/>159 ADVANCED MICRO DEVICES 167 <BR/>160 MEGASOFT CONSULTANTS 166 <BR/>161 ENTERPRISE SOLUTIONS 165 <BR/>162 FREESCALE SEMICONDUCTOR 163 <BR/>163 UT SOUTHWESTERN MEDICAL CENTER 163 <BR/>164 FIRST TEK TECHNOLOGIES 161 <BR/>165 MICHIGAN STATE 161 <BR/>166 RESEARCH FDN OF THE STATE UNIV OF 160 <BR/>167 COMSYS SERVICES 160 <BR/>168 VIRGINIA TECH 160 <BR/>169 JUNIPER NETWORKS 160 <BR/>170 UNIVERSITY OF ARIZONA 158 <BR/>171 IOWA STATE UNIVERSITY 157 <BR/>172 UNIVERSITY OF VIRGINIA 157 <BR/>173 FEDEX CORPORATE SERVICES 157 <BR/>174 CREDIT SUISSE FIRST BOSTON 156 <BR/>175 BRISTOL-MYERS SQUIBB 156 <BR/>176 VERIZON SERVICES 156 <BR/>177 EBAY 155 <BR/>178 AJILON CONSULTING 154 <BR/>179 GENERAL MOTORS 153 <BR/>180 CAMO TECHNOLOGIES 152 <BR/>181 MARVELL SEMICONDUCTOR 151 <BR/>182 CMC AMERICAS 150 <BR/>183 UT M.D. ANDERSON CANCER CENTER 149 <BR/>184 NVIDIA 149 <BR/>185 AT&T SERVICES 147 <BR/>186 WEILL MEDICAL COLLEGE OF CORNELL 146 <BR/>187 AXIOM SYSTEMS 146 <BR/>188 WAYNE STATE UNIVERSITY 146 <BR/>189 MAYO CLINIC ROCHESTER 146 <BR/>190 NORTH CAROLINA STATE 146 <BR/>191 GENENTECH 146 <BR/>192 MAKRO TECHNOLOGIES 145 <BR/>193 SVAM INTERNATIONAL 144 <BR/>194 MEMORIAL SLOAN-KETTERING CANCER 143 <BR/>195 NUTECH INFORMATION SYSTEMS 143 <BR/>196 XPEDITE TECHNOLOGIES 143 <BR/>197 AUTOMATIC DATA PROCESSING 143 <BR/>198 LOUISIANA STATE 142 <BR/>199 FANNIE MAE 141 <BR/>200 MINDTREE CONSULTING/TD> 141BlogspotDudehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16812740483503740304noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3174163417312140150.post-6300011805063550262007-09-18T15:30:00.000-07:002007-09-18T15:30:00.000-07:00http://www.businessweek.com/bwdaily/dnflash/conten...http://www.businessweek.com/bwdaily/dnflash/content/jun2007/db20070606_792054.htm <BR/><BR/>Google is vying for MORE H-1B visas also!BlogspotDudehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16812740483503740304noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3174163417312140150.post-86072870922891954432007-09-15T19:42:00.000-07:002007-09-15T19:42:00.000-07:00i am 25 years old and when i was in india i was th...i am 25 years old and when i was in india i was the oldest programmer in my team. the rest of them were around 21-22 and few of them even 19. what do 19 year old kids do in US ? <BR/>i seem them all around in new york working in bars as strippers or waiting tables. its the nature of *ALL* men to search for comfortable life. the fit and wise will migrate and survive and kick ass where they build their base. and you know what the host does ? they build guilds and start whining.<BR/><BR/>i can see the youtube video of a 50 year old guy who says that he has a 1.6 billion dollar project and is java programmer blah blah blah. oh yea big deal ? kids in india work on such project. my kid bro worked on multi-billion britian to euro bank transfer project. he doesnt go about bragging. we lost jobs in 2001. i was unemployed for nearly a year. the only thing i did was persevere. i loose 4k every month in taxes here.i am never going to get that back. should i whine and crib ?<BR/><BR/>you sick bastards. get a job.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3174163417312140150.post-40263033018314637342007-08-25T20:30:00.000-07:002007-08-25T20:30:00.000-07:00Good place to start.http://www.indianmathonline.co...Good place to start.<BR/>http://www.indianmathonline.com<BR/>The agenda should be getting back to the basics and going from t from the ground up and not to bring in a narrowly focussed issue like H1-B.<BR/><BR/>Being a parent,I can vouch for the difference in standards. Ditch the calculators and gadgets-use the brain instead-in India calculators are banned up to the age of fifteen.<BR/><BR/>First thing to do is to change the education system in US and bring the math and science to international standards - then everything will fall in place in due course.<BR/>http://www.indianmathonline.com/customer_testimonials.html<BR/>Disclaimer: I am not affiliated with this site.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3174163417312140150.post-27768142553709619842007-08-17T17:58:00.000-07:002007-08-17T17:58:00.000-07:00sorry, loser. there is a labor shortage myth in ou...sorry, loser. there is a labor shortage myth in our country and we our talented citizens take top priority...<BR/>_______<BR/>Hard to believe that talented US citizens are not getting jobs,<BR/>http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1438947/posts<BR/>No surprise its the same thing in Information Tech,its not that there are no Americans , there are very talented geniuses who earn top dollars, but thats a minority.<BR/><BR/>Thats why Microsoft moved to Canada, there is no H1-B or bonded labor concept there and they can get top talent from anywhere in the world.Who is the loser - not me anyways and I am not scared of losing my job.<BR/><BR/>BTW Canada is consistently ranked higher than US in standard of living ( US social security and retirement benefits are on oxygen support, Currency is crashing, Mediical insurance companies plunder , none of these in Canada ), its not that Canada undercuts US wages now that CAD is very strongAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3174163417312140150.post-16034058587114641522007-08-16T15:41:00.000-07:002007-08-16T15:41:00.000-07:00@ anonymous,we should have "no caps so that there ...@ anonymous,<BR/><BR/>we should have "no caps so that there is no difficulty in getting top talent?"<BR/><BR/>sorry, loser. there is a labor shortage myth in our country and we our talented citizens take top priority.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3174163417312140150.post-678841953767964062007-08-12T20:46:00.000-07:002007-08-12T20:46:00.000-07:00H1Bs are the modern day equivalent of bonded labor...H1Bs are the modern day equivalent of bonded labor. They should eliminate H1-Bs and bring in a points based system and have no caps so that there is no difficulty in getting top talent.<BR/>Whiners and losers in a global economy are at the bottom of the barrel - they usually get thrown out.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3174163417312140150.post-29035576988444179142007-08-12T18:04:00.000-07:002007-08-12T18:04:00.000-07:00John Edwards sold out. He says he is por-worker an...John Edwards sold out. He says he is por-worker and then says he is pro-H1b to the Silicon Valley Leadership Group last week. <BR/><BR/>Which candidate is for computer scientists here?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3174163417312140150.post-40197991121347870752007-08-09T15:40:00.000-07:002007-08-09T15:40:00.000-07:00From Businessweek Article:Industry analysts say In...From Businessweek Article:<BR/>Industry analysts say Indian companies such as Infosys are hierarchical, and have an elitist view of their business and suffer from "conceptual Brahmanism," referring to the group at the upper echelon of the Indian caste system.<BR/><BR/>These supremacist & racist will be first ones to find themselves in a commodity business. Looking forward when Eastern Europeans are tapped for best and brightest are they going to work for "conceptual Brahmanism" or IBM?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3174163417312140150.post-85328788046911906912007-08-07T19:30:00.000-07:002007-08-07T19:30:00.000-07:00Combine India, China, Isreal, and ( now ) Canada a...Combine India, China, Isreal, and ( now ) Canada and the ever increasing European appetite for skilled professionals - wait and see what happens to these people with their narrow minded attitudes- a lot of these guys drive big SUVs, go to walmart, use oil from middle east and talk about protectionism.<BR/>In five years,these guys will be a bunch of ex white collar UAW folks ( rather USW? ).Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3174163417312140150.post-87116347094146095382007-08-07T16:28:00.000-07:002007-08-07T16:28:00.000-07:00RACIST ORGANIZATIONS:http://www.businessweek.com/g...RACIST ORGANIZATIONS:<BR/>http://www.businessweek.com/globalbiz/content/aug2007/gb2007086_988535.htm?campaign_id=yhoo<BR/><BR/><BR/>Is the Party Over for Indian Outsourcers?<BR/>Infosys, TCS, and Wipro still rake in profits, but they face challenges ranging from a stronger rupee to the likes of IBM and Accenture romping on their home turf<BR/><BR/><BR/>In late July, rumors swirled that Infosys Technologies (INFY) might be readying a takeover offer for Cap Gemini (CGEMY) or another major tech-services player in the U.S. or Europe. So on July 25, when the company alerted the press and the markets that it had a major announcement, there was a great deal of anticipation.<BR/>Instead, Infosys unveiled a $250 million outsourcing contract with Royal Philips Electronics (PHG) of the Netherlands. It was an acquisition of sorts, the company said, at least of the outsourcing centers that belonged to Philips. "We're taking the model to a newer level," said Chief Executive Kris Gopalakrishnan.<BR/>Landing a new contract certainly isn't bad news, but the development was somewhat deflating for those who believe that Infosys needs to redefine and reposition itself in the multibillion-dollar arena for global outsourcing services. In fact, Infosys and other Indian outsourcers are facing a raft of competitive challenges that will require some dramatic new strategies.<BR/>Adversities Add Up<BR/>True, India's biggest outsourcing firms continue to rake in the profits, at least judging by the latest earnings season. The top five players—Tata Consultancy Services (TACSF), Infosys, Wipro (WIT), Cognizant (CTSH), and Satyam (SAY)—reported robust profits in the quarter ended June, 2007. And executives generally forecast strong growth ahead.<BR/>"We're very happy with having beaten the forecast," said CEO and Managing Director S. Ramadorai of the $3.1 billion Tata Consultancy Services in Bombay. "TCS, as the leader, is doing well." Ramadorai predicts $60 billion in tech-services exports for the industry by 2010, nearly twice the current $35 billion, plus $20 billion in revenue from domestic business.<BR/>Yet behind this show of supreme confidence lurks deep unease. A confluence of adversities is at play. They include an appreciating rupee that is cutting into earnings, a severe shortage of qualified talent at home, and a cap on H-1B worker visas to the U.S., along with pre-2008 election protectionism threats.<BR/>Diminishing Returns<BR/>On top of that, there is the end of preferential industry tax benefits at home and the growing success of multinational competitors such as Accenture (ACN) and IBM (IBM) on Indian turf. Perhaps most challenging for the Indian players is the pressing need to move up the ladder into business consulting, a domain that companies such as IBM have dominated for decades. Indian outsourcing firms need to invest heavily to secure a position in this arena, and that will erode their fat profits, at least in the short term.<BR/>For the first time, industry insiders are asking: Is the outsourcing game over for Bangalore? "The Indian IT companies have had an unusually long run in profits and growth," says Siddharth Pai, partner and managing director of global tech advisory TPI Advisory Services India. But that's "an anomaly," he adds. "As they mature, they can't expect the same kinds of returns."<BR/>And mature they must. For the past decade, Indian software-services firms, which pioneered the business of delivering tech services to the developed world from India efficiently and at 40% of the cost of companies such as IBM, have grown exponentially. Revenues exploded from a mere $1 billion in 1997 to $35 billion in 2007.<BR/>Outsiders' Edge<BR/>At first, their multinational competitors such as IBM Global Services, Accenture, and Electronic Data Systems (EDS) were taken by surprise. But then they joined in the new game, setting up shop in India and leapfrogging by making local acquisitions, hiring aggressively, and offering similar services to their clients. As of June, the three multinationals alone have 100,000 professionals on their rolls in India. That's about a third of the top three Indian players, and the multinationals only began hiring three years ago.<BR/>Now that the competition is evening out at the bottom of the business, the battleground will start to move up to the higher end—business consulting and the integration of the offshore and on-site services. Here, the multinationals clearly have an edge. Not only have they been providing consulting services for decades, but they have been doing it across geographic borders, using experienced talent and cultivating long-term and deep relationships with customers. More important, companies have been investing in research and product development for decades—in 2006, IBM spent $6.2 billion on research and development, and its largest R&D center outside the U.S. is in Bangalore.<BR/>Indian companies, in contrast, have almost no research and development and spend very little on it. They began building their high-end consulting services only two years ago, and all of them have done so organically. Infosys began Infosys Consulting in Fremont, Calif. Wipro has been making small but strategic acquisitions in the U.S. and Europe. And TCS, which has the widest reach with 150 offices and 79 development centers worldwide, says that 3% of its revenue now comes from consulting. That's peanuts compared with foreign rivals.<BR/>Lagging the Competition<BR/>Nor have the Indians attempted to leapfrog into the big league through a major acquisition. "They have to, they should, to get a global footprint," says Avinash Vashistha of New York outsourcing consultancy Neo-IT. Do they lack confidence? Certainly, "the levers and supportive environment they have in India are not available to them overseas," says Kris Wadia, executive partner, global sourcing, at Accenture.<BR/>Indeed, the tech industry in India is so pampered by New Delhi, and so admired by ordinary Indians, that they have been lagging behind the competition. Industry trade group Nasscom recently released a report on the necessity of Indian companies to begin to innovate to survive, and suggested the establishment of an ecosystem for innovation, helped by policy initiatives.<BR/>But while India lacks a formal innovation culture, one would never know from the assumed superiority over foreign rivals. Indian firms are simply unable, culturally, to absorb a Western company. Industry analysts say Indian companies such as Infosys are hierarchical, and have an elitist view of their business and suffer from "conceptual Brahmanism," referring to the group at the upper echelon of the Indian caste system.<BR/>IBM's India Buildup<BR/>There's a ring of truth in that. While the companies all employ Indians and some foreigners from across economic and social lines, the top rungs of both Infosys and Tata Consultancy are dominated by upper-caste South Indians. Satyam has a big contingent of employees from the company's native state of Andhra Pradesh. Integrating a Western firm into that closed culture could be problematic. Infosys Chief Operating Officer S.D. Shibulal dismisses the inability to acquire, saying only: "We are perfectly capable of building things organically."Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3174163417312140150.post-66605340070877206182007-08-05T09:58:00.000-07:002007-08-05T09:58:00.000-07:00Actually bigger threat is L1 Visa compared H1B. L1...Actually bigger threat is L1 Visa compared H1B. L1 there is no restriction of salary. Also no Cap or no restriction. Also there is a rule of banning outplacement of L1B in Client Sites. But most companies overcome this by some loopholes. When a company does not get H1b they can apply easily L1 and place people. So H1b Cap does not serve the purpose.<BR/><BR/>Nowadays abuse of H1b and L1 had increased so much that some thing need to be done. Mainly consulting companies are using most H1b and L1. It is a good idea to make more tighter regulation so that Companies can recruit h1B/L1 only if US workers are not availableAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3174163417312140150.post-32056028489312640022007-08-04T09:21:00.000-07:002007-08-04T09:21:00.000-07:00To the person who wrote:"I found this site recentl...To the person who wrote:<BR/>"I found this site recently and I am amused by the attitudes of the people who maintain this site- they should rather spend their time upgrading their skills in their chosen profession"<BR/><BR/>Unfortunately, this site (and others such as numbersusa.com) is a haven to the kind of people who believe that if there is a weed growing in a beautiful garden, then the way to eliminate that weed is to nuke the entire garden.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3174163417312140150.post-47249393516109604272007-08-03T11:33:00.000-07:002007-08-03T11:33:00.000-07:00I have known many people with outstanding current ...I have known many people with outstanding current credentials who are sub employed. This includes many "older" experienced individuals with advanced technical degrees.<BR/><BR/>My first observations of current "employment trends" occurred during the mid 1980's. Friends were employed at General Electric as IT technical managers. A communications link was established with India. My friends had their reporting personnel eliminated. They then became responsible for generating system specifications and interacting with their new "staff."<BR/><BR/>With respect to Microsoft, I recall an article in a local Seattle Newspaper. This was during one of the many sessions where Microsoft was decrying the lack of "qualified" local talent. The Microsoft representative was asked, "Why do you not take advantage of people with advanced technical degrees who are currently employed as janitors and working in car washes?" To which, the Microsoft representative responded, "Microsoft has a unique culture that cannot be learned or taught."Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00260839996821916709noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3174163417312140150.post-22380643892390869072007-08-02T21:07:00.000-07:002007-08-02T21:07:00.000-07:00http://www.businessweek.com/magazine/content/07_26...http://www.businessweek.com/<BR/>magazine/content/07_26/b4040050.htm<BR/>What do you say about this?<BR/>....<BR/>he Indians are recruiting a combination of fresh college grads and experienced vets who have worked at American companies. They're especially active at campus job fairs, and unlike a few years ago students know who these companies are and respect them. In fact, the Indian connection has become an attraction. "I thought this would be a fantastic opportunity, especially because they send you abroad for training," says Brian Oswald, a 23-year-old Rutgers University graduate with a 2006 degree in industrial engineering who joined TCS in February.<BR/>.....<BR/>urprisingly, it often costs more to ship in Indians on a temporary basis than it does to hire Americans. Base salaries are comparable, because Indian companies must by law pay market rates for people they bring in on work visas. But the companies typically have to provide the Indians with housing, and retirement benefits cost more because of India's social security contribution requirements. Also, as the Indian rupee has risen more than 10% against the dollar this year, hiring Americans has gotten cheaper....<BR/>____<BR/>I found this site recently and I am amused by the attitudes of the people who maintain this site- they should rather spend their time upgrading their skills in their chosen professionAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3174163417312140150.post-64758266049346155182007-07-29T18:58:00.000-07:002007-07-29T18:58:00.000-07:00http://www.federalreserve.gov/boarddocs/Speeches/2...http://www.federalreserve.gov/boarddocs/Speeches/2007/20070501/default.htm<BR/><BR/>..Moreover, a balanced discussion of outsourcing abroad should reflect that, just as U.S. firms use the services of foreigners, foreign firms make considerable use of the services of U.S. residents. Many do not realize that, in contrast to its trade deficit in goods, the United States runs a significant trade surplus in services--particularly in business, professional, and technical services. This country provides many high-value services to users abroad, including financial, legal, engineering, architectural, and software development services, whereas many of the services imported by U.S. companies are less sophisticated and hence of lower value.9 A recent study of twenty-one occupations that are most likely to be affected by outsourcing found that net job losses were concentrated almost exclusively in the lower-wage occupations and that strong employment gains have occurred in the occupations that pay the highest wages.10 Further expansion of trade in services will help, not hurt, the U.S. economy and the labor market.<BR/><BR/>Just as discussions of the outsourcing o...<BR/><BR/>Bottomline : Nobody wants you if you are lowskilled..Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3174163417312140150.post-29756359589080891122007-07-25T18:25:00.000-07:002007-07-25T18:25:00.000-07:00Another H1b moron post about moving to Mexico.All ...Another H1b moron post about moving to Mexico.<BR/><BR/>All of Mexico's illiterate people are coming to US and we had the big showdown in congress. <BR/><BR/>Yes you are right in one sense Mexico is under represented by illitetrate people in society.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3174163417312140150.post-8398673739365532722007-07-24T21:25:00.000-07:002007-07-24T21:25:00.000-07:00Unqualified American workers should all be moved t...Unqualified American workers should all be moved to third world countries (like Mexico?) because they are the ones who really drag down US competitiveness.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3174163417312140150.post-15599168514222840692007-07-24T18:51:00.000-07:002007-07-24T18:51:00.000-07:00javascript:void(window.open('http://cosmos.bcst.ya...javascript:void(window.open('http://cosmos.bcst.yahoo.com/up/finance?ch=289023&cl=3446810&lang=','playerWindow','width=793,height=666,scrollbars=no'));<BR/><BR/>People all over the DEVELOPED world are taking a real dislike to globalization.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com